He went to the INDIAN chief and said..”here we have a machine gun do you wish to see it and buy it.” Indian chief’s reply? The first two times CO2 was rising at a trivial rate, certainly much different than the third time. your rssponse shows you can’t (answer the question). “human fallibility” I cannot find a CO2 signal. The Goldilocks Zone seemed a remarkably small region of space which didn't even include the whole Earth. each one tells you any thing you need to ever know or prove. I cannot find a CO2 signal.”), If you claim the latter, it’s easily disproved if one presents a counter-example (as I do in my post at 27 Dec 8.22pm). From there, the Tree of Life separates into more than 190 different species and three domains of life. Now we are near 400 ppm and rising. Colonization in itself, is quite a challenge, of course. Is it trivial enough to be implicitly described by you as zero? The ‘Goldilocks zone’ for life is the zone around a star where the temperature is ‘just right’ – not too … Precisely. Think of the North American beaver, a hardy creature, compared to, say, koalas, who wouldn’t make it far without their eucalyptus trees.”, and “… irrespective of the scenario, most species (43 out of 61) will expand and shift their ranges, mostly in a north-easterly direction, in response to expected climate change …”. But, hey, if you guys want to believe these idiotic fear-mongering predictions, there is nothing to stop you from doing so. I’m surprised mosh didn’t mention that, always assuming he was replying to our interchange, it’s sometimes difficult to tell However, if we don’t know those physical facts (e.g., climate sensitivity, cloud forcing, amplitude and frequency of natural variations in temp, ice cap melting, drought indices etc etc), we may be left with a range of outcomes that are indistinguishable, or of only marginally different apparent probabilities, from one another. He found Myan decendants simple. “1000 ppmv is the absolute maximum CO2 level we could ever reach from burning all the fossil fuels that are still on our planet.”. The MO for obtaining this mean is similar to the MO for obtaining many other “consensus” views: The “middle” – or consensus – value or idea is loosely based on physical “facts” because the available data cannot rule out this particular value. TSW @ 2.18: for years there has been increasing evidence on our planet of the tenacity of the life force, with living organisms being found in environments thought impossible for life. Hmmm… could it be that Earth would be moonless without the collision of a Mars size planet (at just the precise angle) that created our enormous moon. Gesælig Niw Gear <- Another possible retirement 'project'. 50,000 US soldiers killed was to preserve a South Vietnam under the guise of a John Foster Dullas Communist containment policy. Unfortunately for your faction a comment like that assures you are in the debate. ____ If you had to place a bet as to whether there was intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, what do you think the odds would be? One could see this as attempting to create a sort of Mediocristan of blogs and middle ground position. It rests soley on the fact that I have not detected a CO2 signal. It’s the same arrogance that caused people to believe the world is the centre of the universe and humans are the only intelligent life in the universe. Prehistoric conditions and climate oscillations were sufficient to form and bury massive amounts of solar energy as biomass. The habitable zone may also be called the "life zone", "comfort zone", "green belt" or "Goldilocks zone". Which in the beginning terrified the infant oil industry and then nuclear – the clever move by these industries was to include themselves in greenie resentment which they funded as greenie emotional energy was cost effective in promoting this anti-coal agenda. See, yer jest can’t help it … you say ‘moderation seems For global temperatures to rise to unacceptable levels by the end of the 21st century, it is axiomatic that at some point they must rise at an elevate rate for prolonged periods of time. Warming since 1900 is about 0.07C/decade. policy is likely the result of a democratic compromise, but ideally science is not–democratic middle ground and scientific consensus are not the same; and 3.) I also relish the craftsmanship of your trenchant prose. http://www.fandm.edu/politics/politically-uncorrected-column/2009-politically-uncorrected/the-goldilocks-principle-in-american-politics. The Rapp comment repeated by Baa Humbug above about 3 C being just right is pretty strongly supported by the 1979 NAS report, which established (for the first time, or is there an earlier reference?) ==============. One in five stars has an Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone. 6C in tens of thousands of years. . Or why do CO2 levels decrease during long periods of cooling? “1. Apart from yourself, who has predicted that, if AGW was in effect for the period, then the rate of rise of temperature in the 20th C. must have been increasing? just look at any of the guest posts authored by bastardi, d’aleo, etc on wuwt, or anything steven goaddard writes on his blog, The Skeptical Warmist writes “This is not at all what is indicated by anything we are discussing.
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